In my search to find the truth about this "treaty" and "veto" after desperately reading EU Documents, blogs (left, right and illiberal), I have finally gone back to my "trusted sites". There aren't many, too many people are quick to jump to conclusions as they read the headlines in the press. My trust in the political structures that exist everywhere in the world have a zero rating and when things sounds too good to be true, they normally are.
So, what have we got? A summit? Nope, it was a meeting. A treaty? Nope, it was an agreement. A veto? Nope, he just disagreed with everyone else.
Dr Richard North and David at WfW usually put me right but being the dunce that I am, I needed someone to speak to me like one.... :) so, I shot over to Dr Helen Szamuely's blog "Your Freedom and Ours". She explains things so that even I can understand what is happening and I must say... If we don't take steps to leave the EU and soon, we are pretty well fucked!
She writes "So far from repatriating powers, which can be done only through a new treaty that the Boy-King has rejected (not vetoed, just rejected) he has lost any possibility of vetoing whatever speedy conclusions will come out of the forthcoming negotiations for a new agreement"
Read the rest here
This has got to be the biggest betrayal and conspiracy that our government have ever planned against us. SO STOP CHEERING CAMERON ON AND WAKE UP!
Sunday, 11 December 2011
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Absolutely Sue ..
ReplyDeleteMy comments over at Max's place sum up my feelings ..
Anyone referring to Camermong as a "Hero" really has no concept of what that word actually means ..
I'm not inclined to hold Cameron up as a hero, but I think I have some sympathy with the position that he got himself into. Faced with the choice of signing an agreement that would have ended up with us having to fight every single clause of any new agreement, or saying "do what you wan't we are out of here" was the right thing to do. I am a UKIP member and I am more than little sceptical of his motives, but I think we are in danger of shooting ourselves in the foot if we condemn him quite yet.
ReplyDeleteThat's right Sean, wait and see. However Cameron, like his hero, does seem to make a habit of making claims that turn out to be not quite as he appeared to have said (OK completely unlike he claims). Why should this time be any different.
ReplyDeleteNice piece. I share your zero trust in political structures.
ReplyDeleteStructures built on lies, fraud and political fudges will eventually fall apart. Hard to imagine fiscal union working where such guidelines existed - and were ignored - previously, and where said structures can't even get their own accounts signed off.
So there was no veto, Cameron, unable to see the bigger picture, didn't understand what was actually going on. At least, we as a nation have positioned ourselves as a little more Eurosceptic. Not a bad thing if it means further 'splendid isolation.'
Worrying that as things fall apart for reasons they fail to address (debt), they want to add more state and more controls to shore up indefensible, naked emperor-like positions.
We live in interesting times. At least some people are waking up.
I don't trust him one little bit
ReplyDeleteI must admit though, that I am enjoying the media circus that is filling our newstands and tv stations as a consequence. He may not have achieved anything "officially" but the Libdims are certainly throwing some very funny wobblies! The public is becoming evermore patriotic as the European media fills with hatred for us and the calls for a referendum are louder than before!
ReplyDeletePerhaps we'll have gained something positive from this after all?
We can live in hope that the proverbial worm has turned...me I think its more a very S shaped squirm its doing (Cameron) but the hope is that the body over rides the 'pinpointed head' and lashes us out in a different direction taking 'old pinpoint' himself along with it!, the mass of public opinion may be crystallised enough to vote with its brain this time....are you ready to hold the balance of power ....UKIP? lol! (stranger things happen at sea! )
ReplyDeleteI must admit I'd prefer a Eurosceptic Conservative/UKIP coalition. That was serve the British public very well!
ReplyDeleteI'm feeling optimistic about our relationship with the EU for the first time in ages. The vast majority are thrilled with the fact that some small thing has not gone the way the EU wanted it to. It’s sad but that seems like a victory. Small steps and all that. It’s a bit like voting for Cameron to get rid of Brown. Everyone knew he was a wet sap but anything to slow the pace of Brown’s descent into a socialist shit hole. I’m not saying Cameron isn’t heading there – but not quite so quickly is good enough when that’s all that’s really on the table.
ReplyDeleteThe opposition seems to be the BBC. I would love for someone more clued up than I to make a freedom of information request for copies of the loan and grant agreements between the BBC and the EU. I gather that in excess of a quarter of a billion Euros were given to the BBC by the EU between 2003 and 2005 alone. Sane people would regard that as a conflict of interest anyway, but if it transpires that the agreements have clauses that bind the BBC into backing them then they are legally exposed under the BBC charter which has legal standing (so I gather!).
There is much more to this than meets the eye. A group of us are just waiting to see what will become of this. We're guessing the veto has something to do with the ESM treaty being brought forward and the EU recanting on their promises to safeguard certain financial arrangements. Loopholes may not be an option for the EU, they may just have to expel us if Cameron doesn't back down. If he does do a u-turn, it will most certainly mean a transfer of power, in which case, we were promised a referendum.
ReplyDeleteFingers crossed!
Expulsion from the EU would indeed be a blessing and is in fact far more likely than Cameron agreeing to a referendum ..
ReplyDeleteHe lacks the guts to call a referendum because he already knows which way it would go ..
If expulsion is the only way out of this madness, then bring it on, I say ..
And hasn't Clegg proved beyond all doubt what a pathetic, childish, petulant and self-serving little man he really is ?